Wednesday, December 12, 2007

A Link to the RCA Statement

In the theology class this evening Pastor Mark mentioned an obscure and well hidden document on "Reports on Women's Ordination to the 1957 and 1958 General Synod reformatted text." If you click on the underline, the link should take you there directly. Mark was not kidding tho; it took some looking on a page full of neat historical documents.


John Boy said...

I enjoyed reading this report a lot, though it was sad to hear the way many people were disrespectful of female preachers. I have grown in my faith over the years by the teaching and preaching of both women and men. I don't see the Catholic Church's stance on male only ordained priesthood as any different as what Christ himself set up with the first apostles. Christ was clearly giving women prominent roles and breaking all kinds of social barriers for women (the woman at the well), but he didn't have female apostles. I really don't see this as a negative in any way. I'm interested to what extent you take being a complementarian.

I wonder if the role of a Protestant minister has become so different than that of a Catholic priest (working in a Sacramental system), that we’re comparing apples and oranges. In many Catholic churches the roles of pastoral administrator, parish council president, principal/teacher and liturgical minister just to name a few are often held by women. On a practical note, I don’t see men suppressing women with their “God given authority” in my community. I see men and women seeking to be Christ to one another, in a sacrificial union of love.

You mentioned having three major passions.
1. Environmental stewardship (God is Green!) I’m with you there.
2. Biblical equality, we both believe men and women have equal dignity and authority. Perhaps we still disagree on the extent of complementarity.
3. What was your third one again?

Pcrucifer said...

Thank you for your thoughtful comments. The degree to which we are comparing apples to oranges depend on which Protestant denomination you are using for your comparison. The degree to which a pastor is similar to a priest varies widely from Anglican (similar) to anabaptist (very different).

While I agree that Jesus selected only male disciples, he also only chose Jews of Middle Eastern descent. Yet we do not require priests to be Middle eastern or Jewish.

John Boy said...

Jesus had the opportunity to choose Apostles from the Jewish Middle Eastern Women that were in his company, so why didn't he?

Pcrucifer said...

A disciple was expected to be present when his master was teaching, whether that was in a public setting on a mountainside, a public setting in the Temple, or a private setting. This was true of Jesus or any other teacher.

A Jewish Middle Eastern woman would not have been permitted in the latter two situations. Women were not allowed in the interior Temple courts or to share quarters with men other than their family. Thus, they could not be disciples.